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	<title>Comments on: Falling Off The Ladder: Do Women “Shoot Themselves In The Foot”?</title>
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		<title>By: Locker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Locker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grace Judson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Judson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia is exactly right, although I call the process &quot;Walking the High Wire&quot; because it is, as Cynthia says, a very fine line - and it&#039;s a LONG way down on either side.  

When women don&#039;t negotiate, are too conciliatory, play the &quot;mom&quot; role, and so forth - all actions that are described in the article - they&#039;re usually viewed as not strong enough, not decisive enough, and are passed over for promotions.

On the other hand, when they come across with power and conviction, they can very often be considered, as Cynthia says, bitchy, ball-busting, and cold.  One of my clients was told by her manager that she should &quot;be nicer&quot;!

There is no easy way out, because the rules that govern gender behavior are far too ingrained to change overnight, or even over decades.  However, when a woman understands the various behavior patterns that she and others around her may fall into, as well as understanding the larger context of the corporate culture in which she&#039;s working, then she at least has tools to *see* what&#039;s happening and *adjust* her behavior accordingly.

It&#039;s not easy, and it&#039;s not &quot;fair,&quot; but it *can* improve.

Thanks for this interesting article and the opportunity to discuss such a crucial topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia is exactly right, although I call the process &#8220;Walking the High Wire&#8221; because it is, as Cynthia says, a very fine line &#8211; and it&#8217;s a LONG way down on either side.  </p>
<p>When women don&#8217;t negotiate, are too conciliatory, play the &#8220;mom&#8221; role, and so forth &#8211; all actions that are described in the article &#8211; they&#8217;re usually viewed as not strong enough, not decisive enough, and are passed over for promotions.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when they come across with power and conviction, they can very often be considered, as Cynthia says, bitchy, ball-busting, and cold.  One of my clients was told by her manager that she should &#8220;be nicer&#8221;!</p>
<p>There is no easy way out, because the rules that govern gender behavior are far too ingrained to change overnight, or even over decades.  However, when a woman understands the various behavior patterns that she and others around her may fall into, as well as understanding the larger context of the corporate culture in which she&#8217;s working, then she at least has tools to *see* what&#8217;s happening and *adjust* her behavior accordingly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not easy, and it&#8217;s not &#8220;fair,&#8221; but it *can* improve.</p>
<p>Thanks for this interesting article and the opportunity to discuss such a crucial topic!</p>
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		<title>By: GenderSmart Solutions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How women shoot themselves in the foot</title>
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		<dc:creator>GenderSmart Solutions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How women shoot themselves in the foot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cynthia at PAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia at PAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see this topic explored, but I disagree with most of what is said in this article.  It is true that many women apologize, act deferentially, and don&#039;t play office politics, but the conclusion that is drawn from this -- that therefore women can&#039;t get ahead and are to blame for their failure to advance -- is not true.  Even in this day and age, women who act as the experts quoted in this article recommend are not going to get ahead because they will be viewed as bitchy, ball-busting, and cold.  Women have to walk in a very thin median between being too feminine and not feminine enough, and if they fall to either side, they are punished.  It is the same-old, same-old:  liked but not respected, or respected but not liked.  And, as everyone knows, you need to be both respected and liked to get ahead if you&#039;re a woman.  

When women apologize or hold back and let another take the lead, they may well be acting in the way they perceive as being most accepted by their audience.  So, let&#039;s not blame the women.  They are trying to fit in to a male-dominated culture, and as long as that culture is not changing, they are going to have difficulty.  Accepting that culture as a given and trying to make the women act more like men is not the answer.

Changing the culture takes some doing.  As the experts in this article suggest, women need to take steps toward asserting themselves, but they need a culture in which they can do so safely.  So, at the same time the women are trying to find ways to be both authoritative and accepted by their colleagues and superiors, workplaces need to raise awareness of the gender dynamics at play and need to put measures in place to act as a check on bias.  We spend a lot of time at PAR studying these dynamics and creating practical, business-based measures to diminish bias in law firms.  

Research shows that having more women in high positions tends to lessen the effects of bias and widens the median in which women can operate.  With some work and a bit of luck, debates like this one will become irrelevant.  Until then, though, let&#039;s not blame the women -- it demoralizes the women, lets employers off the hook, and doesn&#039;t focus our energies where they really need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see this topic explored, but I disagree with most of what is said in this article.  It is true that many women apologize, act deferentially, and don&#8217;t play office politics, but the conclusion that is drawn from this &#8212; that therefore women can&#8217;t get ahead and are to blame for their failure to advance &#8212; is not true.  Even in this day and age, women who act as the experts quoted in this article recommend are not going to get ahead because they will be viewed as bitchy, ball-busting, and cold.  Women have to walk in a very thin median between being too feminine and not feminine enough, and if they fall to either side, they are punished.  It is the same-old, same-old:  liked but not respected, or respected but not liked.  And, as everyone knows, you need to be both respected and liked to get ahead if you&#8217;re a woman.  </p>
<p>When women apologize or hold back and let another take the lead, they may well be acting in the way they perceive as being most accepted by their audience.  So, let&#8217;s not blame the women.  They are trying to fit in to a male-dominated culture, and as long as that culture is not changing, they are going to have difficulty.  Accepting that culture as a given and trying to make the women act more like men is not the answer.</p>
<p>Changing the culture takes some doing.  As the experts in this article suggest, women need to take steps toward asserting themselves, but they need a culture in which they can do so safely.  So, at the same time the women are trying to find ways to be both authoritative and accepted by their colleagues and superiors, workplaces need to raise awareness of the gender dynamics at play and need to put measures in place to act as a check on bias.  We spend a lot of time at PAR studying these dynamics and creating practical, business-based measures to diminish bias in law firms.  </p>
<p>Research shows that having more women in high positions tends to lessen the effects of bias and widens the median in which women can operate.  With some work and a bit of luck, debates like this one will become irrelevant.  Until then, though, let&#8217;s not blame the women &#8212; it demoralizes the women, lets employers off the hook, and doesn&#8217;t focus our energies where they really need to be.</p>
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		<title>By: JD to be</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD to be</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s truly inspiring to see a successful climb to the top.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s truly inspiring to see a successful climb to the top.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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